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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by mchanna View Post
    Thanks dr, I'll ask them to check these parameters again.


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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    After 10 days of analysis and refitting everything, the problem still persists.

    They have done all that they could do
    1. Changed spark plugs
    2. Changed and refitted timing belts twice
    3. tried replacing Knock Sensor, RPM Sensor
    4. Checked Cam Valve leak
    5. Checked engine mounts

    Did many other things which I could not understand, like battery change, high RPM setting, ECU change etc etc

    Here is the video how it is vibrating

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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Car is currently with me, will take it to Ravi/Sharad next week!

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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Its purely timing fault. Is there any vibration before timing change? For the video I can say cylinder 1 is not fixed at TDC during the belt change.

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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Palio View Post
    Its purely timing fault. Is there any vibration before timing change? For the video I can say cylinder 1 is not fixed at TDC during the belt change.
    No, not this. There was a kat kat sound but definitely not this vibration.
    What's the solution now, need to remove the timing belt and fix again?


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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by mchanna View Post
    No, not this. There was a kat kat sound but definitely not this vibration.
    What's the solution now, need to remove the timing belt and fix again?


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    Damn. Tensioner bearing was not loaded properly. Timing is definitely off due to slackness in the belt

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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by mchanna View Post
    No, not this. There was a kat kat sound but definitely not this vibration. What's the solution now, need to remove the timing belt and fix again? Sent from JET using tapatalk
    I am sorry if you mentioned this earlier but which garage did you go over for all the points that you have mentioned so far? If this is related to timing belt issues, Ravi is pretty good at this. Had a similar issue with my Palio and after testing the waters of different garages, Ravi was finally able to set it right.
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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Yes Sid, it's after the timing belt change. Done at pandit auto


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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    I am also doubting one of the injector could be failed. Completely failed injector should throw malfunction error light. But partial failure wont show such things. Also check the exhaust for blurping. The exhaust gas flow should be smooth without any intermediate black out. To find out injector resistance remove the injector wiring harness socket which is located close to the ignition coil and you can see 5 pins inside the socket. Middle pin(3) is the common pin and pin 1, pin 2 , pin 4, pin 5 are respective injector connector. Take digital multi meter and set the ohm range to 20. Test each injector pins using the probe and pin 3 is common so test in the sequence (1,3) (2,3) (4.3) (4,5) . The result from the test should show between 15~18 ohm. Any value lesser or greater than the specified range should be discarded. Also let us know which new sparkplug they have used.

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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Finally got the timing fixed at Ravi, now everything seems to be smooth like butter :-)
    Just thank you is not enough Pragalbha, for spending a whole day (16hrs) and getting your hand dirty, without you I would not have got the car in a day.

    Here are the issues.

    1. A plate where tensioner bearing resides was damaged (I'll post the pic soon) in the process at pandit. They just went ahead and used the same plate. bad very bad. Atleast they would have informed and changed that plate.
    2. Wrong spark plugs were used (2 point), First time they have used correct ones, but later when I have them for checking the timing they changed the spark plugs.
    3. Timing belt cover was loose very loose. Pandits didnt bother to correct that.

    All in all car is back in form and I am happy.


    Once again thanks pragalbha for your help.

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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Price Breakup
    1500 - Labour for timing correction
    300 - Timing cover
    1900 - Aluminium Plate which holds tensioner bearing

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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Channa thank you for sharing all the information here and I am pretty sure than this information will be very helpful for me while restoring my S10.
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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by mchanna View Post
    Finally got the timing fixed at Ravi, now everything seems to be smooth like butter :-)
    Just thank you is not enough Pragalbha, for spending a whole day (16hrs) and getting your hand dirty, without you I would not have got the car in a day.

    Here are the issues.

    1. A plate where tensioner bearing resides was damaged (I'll post the pic soon) in the process at pandit. They just went ahead and used the same plate. bad very bad. Atleast they would have informed and changed that plate.
    2. Wrong spark plugs were used (2 point), First time they have used correct ones, but later when I have them for checking the timing they changed the spark plugs.
    3. Timing belt cover was loose very loose. Pandits didnt bother to correct that.

    All in all car is back in form and I am happy.


    Once again thanks pragalbha for your help.
    Thats so good to hear, channa! That smile after a trouble free drive is something special

    These stuff that Pandit missed are more sort of carelessness sometimes we face in any authorised service center. They dont have enough time in hand or skill set to dig deap inside to eradicate the issues. Need someone like DigVijay to get our cars in best shape :D

    So Pragal must have got treated himself with loads of Diet Coke after a hard day job!!
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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by mchanna View Post
    Dash rattling fixed.
    Ravi fixed this?

    This is one of Ravi's most boring jobs so on most occasions he manages to convince customers to live with that sound. So it is really is good bonus to have this fixed.
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    Re: My Cheetah, My Canary Yellow Palio 1.6 Sports

    Quote Originally Posted by Rudrah View Post
    They dont have enough time in hand or skill set to dig deep inside to eradicate the issues. Need someone like DigVijay to get our cars in best shape :D
    So Pragal must have got treated himself with loads of Diet Coke after a hard day job!!
    I dont know what skill it requires to be transparent and honest, which would have avoided unnecessary effort they have put.

    Unfortunately Pragalbha could not get diet coke that day, but I owe him some :-)



    Quote Originally Posted by Sid View Post
    Ravi fixed this?

    This is one of Ravi's most boring jobs so on most occasions he manages to convince customers to live with that sound. So it is really is good bonus to have this fixed.
    I agree, thats where it took ~12hrs.

    We reached his garage by 11am, he was so lazy to open the screws. Pragalbha himself opened half of the parts.
    He seriously started working only at 5pm, then there were all series of problems started arising.
    1. One screw got stuck in the timing belt cover. he has to cut the cover to open it.
    2. After the timing fix, couple of rounds of manual rotation resulted into belt slipping from the bearing. thats where we have noticed the broken hook on the plate. it was 8pm

    We found the plate only by 10pm
    and it took 2hrs to fix it :-(



    I forgot to add that, I also got the injectors cleaned and filters changed at Bosch center (Fatimanagar Chroma)
    which costed me 1600/-

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